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Hello folks. A follow up to my last post regarding power stations. I have been watching videos, reading reviews and sending emails in my search for the best power stations for MY NEEDS and wants. I want a power station that fills those needful hours when solar is not available or batteries are low, etc. You know those days when the sun is too low to charge things fully or the seeming endless days of gloom or rain. Those times when the endless sun power is well not quite endless. We bought a large residential fridge with a bottom freezer last year and I would like to sleep well knowing it will still be cooling when I wake up in the morning. This power station is to give me peace of mind. It is also a starter piece for a time when we may need a larger power source and knowing I can add extra batteries to expand its usefulness is comforting. So keeping those things in mind I compared apples to apples.
All of the companies I researched originate in China, they all have outlets in many countries. The technology is pretty much the same but each company seems to focus on an aspect/feature/function they deem to be most important. I compared only those power stations that are expandable. Based on that criteria first, the next was WH (watt hours) available for use, so I researched only those staring over 2000 WH but less than 2500. My third criteria is outlets, which offers the best options, not necessarily the most, and of course charging methods is also of great interest. Add to these of course is safety, durability, price and weight but this is a mostly moot point as I don't really intend on moving it often. So with those things in mind I looked into 3 companies, Bluetti, Anker, and EcoFlow.
1. Anker Solix C2000 Gen 2. The unit is 2400w with a 4000w peak output, contains the standard 2048 WH LifePo4 battery. Six ways to charge the unit, battery expansion possible, has a great app for the phone, easy to set up and use. Sends notifications to your phone as well. Fast charge is a big feature but the flexible charge setting is an important component with this unit, allowing you to slow the rate of charge if desired, or speed it up for small sunlight filled days. Approximately 10 year life span, 5 year warranty. It appears that an adapter is necessary for solar charging. The inverter in this unit is a bit bigger to enable the start up of appliances without problems. It claims to have the ability to run a double door refrigerator for 32 hours. It weighs 42 lbs, expansion batteries are heavy, cables are bulky. For those Canadians out there, you can buy it at Canadian Tire Stores as well as other places. I will admit I struggled with this brand. The recall due to fire hazards turned me off. Although the recall was some time ago so I'm certain the issue has been corrected. Overall I'm sure it would prove to be a good option, some of the features are definitely worth considering and might sway an on the fence sitter. The price point is fair for original unit but the expansion pack is quite expensive. I am quoting CANADIAN dollars.This unit is approximately $1000 CAD with add on battery pack starting at $2000. I did not contact this company as there were no questions I wanted to ask them.
2. EF EcoFlow Delta 3 Max. This unit is also the standard 2048 WH but with a 3400 w boost and 4800watt surge. The boost power ensures big appliances get a constant feed, no lag, and the inverter has a bigger surge output than the Anker. I believe this unit has three ways to charge, solar, car, electric. I did not find any mention of special solar connectors, so I assume nothing is proprietary. Four plugs, four USB ports, pretty standard. A smart app offers lots of options and information, seemed to be easy to use. Fast charging is again one of the highlights. Expandable with battery pack as well. Pretty standard 10 year life span, 5 year warranty. It weighs in around 45 lbs. The expansion batteries are also heavy but the connection cables appear to be less bulky. The positive side of this unit is the boost, and the less bulky cables. The price point is almost the same for the unit at $1100 and the expansion batteries are more reasonably priced at $1000 with the connection cables showing up at $85. Again Canadian dollars. A point to consider, a unit that I was NOT considering had some difficulties in the past year, a recall due to overheating/fire but it was a recall for what appeared to be a single batch or production number, limited to that particular unit only. It is however something to keep in mind. I didn't contact this company about this unit but I did contact EcoWorthy which is the parent company about something else with 5 or 6 questions. The reply from customer service was less than satisfactory, the first reply answered just one basic question. My return email thanking them for the single answer but pointing out the lack of complete answers netted me a second email but again they failed to answer the question referenced in my subject line, connecting my current system with theirs. So for that reason I wonder how good their customer service would be. It was timely but incomplete even after two attempts. I opted not to ask a third time, the question for writing them in the first place, it seemed pointless. Not impressed. However I have found a local Sudbury solar supply place that sells EcoWorthy system/pieces and that may negate any need to contact the company directly. Research shows Eco Worthy solar pieces and systems get great reviews, and so I will be keeping that in mind as I go forward.
3. Bluetti AC200L is pretty much the same as the other two in many ways, 2400 w, 2048 WH, with a 3600w boost. It is very different in a number of ways. The expansion battery packs to select from is variable with varying capacity giving a great deal in flexibility as to final output in ah and watts, price points also vary depending on which EP you select. This unit can be expanded up to 8192 WH in total. The outlets are the usual with a few extras that prove interesting. An RV plug, 30 amp to RUN your rig and a DC port, 48V/8A with a D40 voltage regulator to CHARGE your rigs battery. This unit can be charged in multiple ways including the capacity to charge with 1200 watts of solar. All charging is considered fast. It has Bluetooth and wifi capabilities. Sadly it is the heaviest of the three weighing in at 62 lbs. The warranty is the standard 5 years. The reviews mostly indicated this unit is very reliable, very tough and very good value for money. The price point is a bit on the high side with the unit at $1400 and the various expansion batteries coming in very pricy at $2000, $2200, $3000 dollars for the B210, 2150 WH, B300k, 2765 WH, and the B500k, 5120 WH, respectively. Two of the same expansion packs can be added, not mix and match, so decisions need to be made before expanding. I am not certain if EP connection cables come with or need to be purchased. You know me, I had questions and so I made contact via email, was immediately informed they received my email, gave me a ticket number to use, indicated a few days due to volume, holidays, etc. within day or two they came back with an excellent, informative reply to all of my questions. They sent a couple of follow up emails as well, inquiring if I needed more information, would I take a survey, feel free to inquire again if something came up or if there were questions. I love good customer service, I am impressed.
I am quite aware that as the add ons are put in place a dolly will be required for moving and I am fine with that but I would be more likely to just leave them in place. As to the original units, the weight is important but not detrimental as they too would probably remain in one place or between us Riley and I could move them. The apps are a bonus that allows a great deal of flexibility and Bluetooth or wifi connectivity is just a bigger bonus. Wifi I think is extremely good, you can connect as long as both units have wifi connections. A problem at our spot as we receive wifi via our phones and if the phone isn't there, no wifi is available, but I can remedy that if I feel it is necessary. As I am looking into the future I feel the flexibility of these units is very important and being able to charge them solely with solar power is very important to me both now and in the future.
So there you have the results of my research. The information I gathered came from many sources, and I tried hard to be impartial and take everything with a grain of salt. No review is ever absolute, good or bad, it is always based on personal preference and/or experience. I'm looking for both present and future needs, I'm also looking at ease of use, ease of set up, ease of charging. I feel I have compared apples to apples even if only 3 times. These three I am comfortable with in general and so that is the reason I limited my research. I hope the information has been helpful.
Since it is my money I'm spending I will be purchasing the Bluetti as I think for me it is the best option both now but also in the future. I plan on ordering it to arrive before I get home, asking my brother Rick to pick it up and charge it for me. As we removed all of our batteries from the cabin and the rig and stored them in my dad's basement for the winter, I will hopefully be able to use this unit to power up the RV to extend the slides. The first big test, after that its main job will be to run the big residential fridge freezer, with a number of side jobs that will involve power tools. My plan is to connect solar panels directly to the unit allowing it to charge all day even while in use but leaving it full for the night time use. Will my plan work? I'm hopeful.
There you have it folks. I hope this information is useful, interesting and perhaps will assist you in making a choice of your own, or keeping the information in mind for the future. All prices I quoted were the best I could find available at the time I was researching, all sites used were in Canada, and in Canadian dollars. Amazon was used as the gauge for my pricing as I felt it would be the most consistent in comparison. I also checked out prices on each companies Canadian home page. Yes, I will make a post or two in the future letting you know if the reality lives up to the research.
I ordered the Bluetti unit April 16, it is currently in the hands of CanPar.
Until next time......
Deb
Wow, the knowledge you have on this is impressive. 'there is a blog called "Country View acres )" he also does a solar blog. His last blog showed a Bluetti unit just for emergency's for a fridge that would get it through a day or so when the power was out. This would be in addition to what your looking at. Vern ( P S I now know who to call if I ever need an answer on Solar) good luck
ReplyDeleteThanks Vern. I'm looking forward to trying this unit, I think it will meet my needs and offer a few extras as well. I'm thinking also of the future when we move back into a house, it will be nice to have back up power available if we ever need it. I agree if you need knowledge call the other guy. Lol.
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Thanks so much. I appreciate your efforts and writing it all out for us. You've gone the direction I think I will go also. Still more research to do for what my needs will be, but thanks again, that helped alot. Have a nice trip home.
ReplyDeleteThank you, we are done to single digit days to fly back to Ontario, and a couple more days to get back to the Island after that. Glad to help. It is always good to hear the efforts pay off for someone other than myself. Good luck with your continued researched, let us know in a comment sometime if you make a decision, it's always interesting to hear from others and their reasoning.
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Interesting. I know nothing about...well a lot, but I know more than nothing about power stations. Looking forward to reading about how you like it.
ReplyDeleteMy friend you are extremely intelligent in many areas, after all, you married Barb! I'm glad I was able to aid in your education and hope it some day can be put to use, even if it's only conservation starter around the beer fire. Lol.
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Every RV'er I know around here that requires a big power station, has a Bluetti. I think you made a good choice. Thank you for all the info ... I'm keeping it in my files.
ReplyDeleteThanks Nancy. I will let you know in the future what I think of it. If I like it I'm thinking a smaller one might be of use for those hard to reach areas that could use power for short times but a unit easy to carry. However we shall see how this one does.
DeleteDeb
You are a great researcher. Good luck with the install. And safe travels home. Contessa
ReplyDeleteThank you Contessa. I hope all is well with you and Colin.
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A few RV Bloggers we follow also use the Bluetti power station and only have good things to say about them. They use them at home as well as when they travel.
ReplyDeleteI may be off track here, but this might be something you can add to your arsenal of being "Off the Grid".
Every year we were in the desert, we experienced those cloudy months that the Solar struggled to keep the Batteries charged and we really depend on the power at night for our CPAP Machines. I looked at adding a Wind Generator but found the ones nearby to be noisy especially when the Wind changed direction. I also found they were expensive and required a lot of maintenance. Then I found Vertical Axis Wind Turbines. it did not matter which way the Wind was coming from, they even worked with less Wind than the Horizontal units. The only problem back then was the most powerful one we could get was only 2,000 Watts. Combined Solar and Wing we never had a low Battery problem after that. Today you can purchase a 20,000-Watt unit for that price ($503.45 Canadian) directly from Amazon. It would help maintain all your Electrical Needs on the Island.
https://www.amazon.ca/Vertical-Generator-Permanent-Controller-Windmill/dp/B0FFRGX1F8/ref=sr_1_6?crid=3CJUAHVKPRX4P&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.le8f0FDakqFFxp8vRaxObbJReeAG97avQ4sAZCtnHx1N4z8pw8GGCTow8i0a6iLbCDZXKO21I-Gppv0_Mnul3PuRXz461RK30dKOBgwt7WOz3Q_vdZaHsBc0iDdwfqsTFUDrHKVd6CgWgsZsupsLsZ8pyGNTewMYER9Kf0h95lPOIOkpbNGlM6HNZkEYpeP2E5RnE63seowVgoThNBcKZi8kGrhNnqfCS2UUwE9MFVD-yv9MkCxY1EXhTaSHKBe_5YNNNNHgHc7BLy5VuuJd-x4gV6zcW1xeiG5o13rCv4Y.Aet6KLriu0_byete-VEXZh8pja08lSMGifW-WnJmiCA&dib_tag=se&keywords=12%2Bvolt%2Bvertical%2Baxis%2Bwindmill&qid=1776551830&sprefix=12%2Bvolt%2Bvertical%2Baxis%2Bwindmill%2Caps%2C2440&sr=8-6&th=1
Just copy and paste the address on Google to check it out.
Safe Travels and Enjoy the adventures.
It's about time.
Thanks Rick. I'm looking forward to trying this unit out, I've heard lots of good things.
DeleteI've been thinking about a wind hook up off and on for some time and I was thinking of you and your build, I went back a couple of times and read your blog a couple of times for the information. It was helpful, thank you. Gerry Shannon, of Elva and Gerry also had one set up at Pilot Knob, I think. In my situation I think a turbine would work well because we almost always have a big breeze or a swirling wind but the problem is distance, it would need to be high up which means a long set of wires up and over the quarry top, having to buy an expensive cable for that distance might make it less attractive for the gain when I can add more or different batteries and panels for the same money. It is the constant wind that keeps me thinking though and the fact it could produce all year round also keeps my mind working. I've watched a few vlogs that I like and they aren't exactly happy with the wind output, or the unit, or a few other things, but they aren't exactly on a big rock in the middle of the lake either. Thanks for the link.
Deb